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RG: "Then on hearing this sound, what will it do to these people? They get some experience?"

LLL: "Yes, they have a lot of . . . each people they will get in each different sound. Also some very high being lamas coming to listen to this singing bowl, and really they, sound is giving teaching, you know, about broadness and emptiness, many different teachings . . . Four Noble Truth teachings. Each they wanted to have that teaching gives by . . ."

RG: "So their getting some transmission, a teaching, from the sound vibration of this bowl?"

LLL: "Yes."Meditating on the sound of the Void (via large Tibetan singing bowl)

RG: "So what are they doing, are they playing this bowl and meditating on this sound?"

LLL: "Yes. Also, Drepung Monastery has a lot of scholars there, many Geshes, many, many, thousands of Geshes there. Their listening to this singing bowl, older monks going to see and listening to singing bowl. 4 The monks are meditating on this sound. Because, actually this is . . . empty means . . . also singing bowl is empty. So, actually, all sound is giving each different teaching, you know. Singing bowl sound, or drum sound, or conch sound, or bell, or tingshaw, everything is giving sound is teaching like."

RG: "So, is this.. this sound can be compared to a mantra then? Would you say that?"

LLL: "Not exactly mantra. It's giving Voidness teaching."

RG: "Show him the inscription on this large bowl."

LLL: "Ganden Monastery has smaller than this. Smaller than this."

RG: "More round."

LLM: "Yes, more round."

RG: "Yes, I know that style. Once in a while you find that style, it's hard to find now. Here's a smaller one. Coming up more like this, and in the middle is a . . ."

LLM: "Yes."

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